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繼上篇  鎖藝譯叢(6) - “極端”型 軍事鎖具 之后,相信大家也對這個奇怪的鎖具倍感神秘!

之后我也為大家搜索了一下相關資料,最后在該鎖主人的朋友的博客上找到了一篇博文!

拜讀過后,發現下面俄羅斯鎖匠的回帖研究價值更高!

故此連續兩天奮斗,將整篇文章連同回帖,全部作了翻譯,供大家研究討論!

因為全文比較長,翻譯后連原文一共6000多字詞,所以可能出現不少紕漏,如有發現還望大家多多賜教!


Russian Spy Combo Lock

I bet you have never seen this lock before.

我敢打賭你們以前絕對沒見過這樣的鎖!




If you have you are either a Russian ‘diplomat’, have worked as a high ranked officer on a Russian nuclear submarine or operated a nuclear plant there. Or you are a member of Toool or Ssdev. Little is known about the lock, only that it is (was?) in use at the most critical parts of the Russian government and military. Fact is this lock is extremely rare. A US DOD lock specialist has been trying for years to get his hands on one, without success. He only located three of these locks in the world. Safe technician Paul Crouwel owns one of these three locks.


如果你是一名俄國外交官,或者一位俄國核潛艇的高級官員,又或者你手下掌管著核電站。再者您是鎖藝論壇的會員,才可能會有機會接觸到這樣的鎖具!

關于此鎖具的資料相當少,我們只知道在俄羅斯政府部門和軍隊里 最重要的部門才會配備。而事實上這樣的鎖極為罕見。一位美國 國防部的鎖具專家曾經花幾年時間尋找這樣的鎖具,但也無果而終。他只找到了這僅存3把鎖在世界上的分布位置!而保險箱技師保羅擁有這其中的一把!




The lock has a seal function. It does not take much force to break the lock open. The design goal was obviously to prevent unauthorized and surreptitious access. The story we heard was that the lock was in use at Russian embassies. Instead of importing heavy safes from Russia they just bought a decent model on the local market. They secured the entrance of the original key hole with this lock. So in order to open the safe you first need to get passed this ‘seal lock’.

此鎖的功能主要在于遮蔽和密封。并非用于抵御暴力性強開。設計的目的顯然在于防范內部未經授權和竊取情報的訪問。我們聽說該鎖具主要配備于蘇聯大使館。為了避免從蘇聯進口龐大沉重的保險柜,蘇聯政府決定購買符合要求的當地生產的保險柜供大使館使用,并且以該種鎖具來防護原裝保險柜的鑰匙孔。所以假如你想打開保險柜你就必須先開啟這把“密封鎖”。







To open it you need to dial a combination and use a key. So it can also be used in a system where two people are needed to open a specific safe. One person knows the combination and will dial it while the other person only has access to the key and operates it.

開啟這把鎖,除了鑰匙之外,你還要知道密碼。所以這種鎖還能使用在要求 必須2人才能開啟保險柜的場所。即一人負責密碼,一人負責鑰匙。

The other story we heard was that is was used in nuclear facilities and submarines. But we do not know for sure. We do know it is a lock with a strong ‘spy vs spy’ smell.

關于此鎖,我們聽說的另一種情況則是該鎖使用于核設施或核潛艇中,但沒人能確定。但是人人都知道這把鎖的“諜戰”氣味濃重!

If you know more about this specific lock we would love to hear from you!

如果您了解更多關于此鎖的資訊,我們將洗耳恭聽!


另外一把不帶鑰匙開啟的諜報鎖!
















25 Responses to The ‘Russian Spy Combo Lock’
25條回復 關于“前蘇聯 諜報鎖”

1.         mike says:

August 16, 2006 at 23:06

I don’t know much about them. But what i do know is i want one.
麥克 說:
我對這鎖了解不多。但我很想要一個!

2.         seanrox says:

August 18, 2006 at 11:06
Wow Barry. What a great lock. You’ve out done yourself once again. Thanks for sharing this great information.
塞羅斯 說:
哇,巴瑞。這真是個好鎖。您又一次超越自己了。很感謝您分享的資料!

3.         Barry says:

August 18, 2006 at 15:16
Seanrox: thanks. Keeping the blog up to date is a lot of work. But so far it has been worth it. I hope I can keep up the quality and quantity.

版主 巴瑞 回復 塞羅斯:
謝謝了!更新博客的工作量真挺大的。但現在看來都很值得!希望自己能提高質量和產量。

4.         seanrox says:

August 18, 2006 at 21:38
Indeed it’s a lot of work keeping a blog up to date but you don’t need to post daily. People, including myself would rather see quality posts once in a while then a ton of junk post about their cat climbing a tree or something strange like that, plus I’m a dog person
塞羅斯 說:
確實如此啊!更新博客的工作真的很多,當年你也不必每天更新吖!包括我在內的所有人都更希望看到高質量有營養的帖子,而不是一堆沒用的垃圾!

5.         workstation says:

August 22, 2006 at 14:25
I like the way you enter the code. Much easier than the typical American combination lock.

工作站 說:
我喜歡這種密碼盤的操作方式,比傳統美國的密碼鎖要簡單多了!

6.         Ronnie says:

August 30, 2006 at 18:51
You guys are on top of it! Thanks

羅尼 說:
你們真是頂尖高手啊! 謝謝!

7.         martin says:

September 5, 2006 at 18:49
hi barry,that lock was great loved the pair,i couldnt find out anything on the russian lock but managed to get hold of a nice example of the rosengrens cnab6 the engineering of this is beautifull,keep up the great work martin.

馬丁 說:
你好 巴瑞,這鎖真是不錯,我對這把鎖了解不多,但我找到一把樣板的rosengrens cnab6 鎖具,它涵蓋的工程學令人吃驚啊!繼續努力!

8.         Russian Club of fans of locks says:

November 28, 2006 at 22:20
Now to us it became clear, why mister Vels, us has not started up us on the seminar…
We think because we projected, and we do these Russian locks.
And you that, first time see good locks?
Russian Club of fans of locks

俄羅斯鎖藝協會 說:
現在我們明白了,為什么威爾先生,不允許我們參加研討會。。。
因為是我們設計和制造了這把鎖!
難道你第一次見這樣的好鎖嗎?

9.         Barry says:

November 28, 2006 at 22:45
Russian Club of fans of locks : What are you talking about? I have no clue. Please find someone to translate what you have to say and not use bablefish to get your message across. Are you saying you have seen this lock before? Or even know where to buy them? I would not mind buying one … or two …

版主 巴瑞 回復 俄羅斯鎖藝協會:

你在說什么啊?怎么我一點都不懂。請你找個好點的翻譯再來說吧,別用翻譯軟件。你是說之前你見過這鎖嗎?還是說知道哪里有的賣?有的話,我不介意買一兩個。

10.         Russian lockpick sport group says:

November 28, 2006 at 22:54
Now we can understand why Barry did not allow us to be present on the Seminar. We design and produce these Russian locks and really can show even more that you in Europe didn’t know about.

俄羅斯鎖藝協會 說:
我們現在明白為什么巴瑞不允許我們參加研討會。就因為我們設計和生產這些鎖具,我們甚至可以給你看更多資料!

11.         Barry says:

November 28, 2006 at 23:10
Russian lockpick sport group (formerly known as fans of locks): You are bluffing. Just mail me one picture of this lock, or a different key. I do not beleive you at all. You where welcome to visit the championships, just as everyone else. I can not see any logic to your remark ‘now we understand why we were not welcome’. What would be the reason not to allow you entrance at the Dutch Open in regards to this lock? We talk about this Russian lock with great interest and welcome anybody who knows more about it, or about similar locks. Â

版主 巴瑞 回復 俄羅斯鎖藝協會:
你真是靠嚇!光是在郵件里展示幾幅鎖具和鑰匙的圖片,就想讓人相信你嗎?你和所有人一樣,都歡迎來參加鎖具錦標賽啊!我一點都搞不懂你為什么說我不歡迎你們。有誰會不讓你們在荷蘭的開放鎖藝協會里提及這種鎖呢?我們對這把俄產的諜報鎖興趣濃厚,并且非常歡迎有識之士的指教!

12.         Russian Club of fans of locks says:
November 29, 2006 at 15:29
You are not polite person mister Wels.
You invited us only to the open seminar. It is not interesting to us to look, how the Chinese cylinders is opend.
Now about the Russian lock.
The person, who has sold for you this lock, could appear in Russian prison. Because of all similar locks have number and are confidential.
These locks are developed in Russia and we shall not show them to you. You are not experienced of Russian locks. If you wish to learn to open such locks, enter the name on Russian seminars.

俄羅斯鎖藝協會 說:
威爾先生,你不是一個懂禮貌的人!
你邀請我們參加研討會只是為了給你捧場。但我們對你怎么開啟中國的鎖芯一點興趣都沒有!
該談正事了!
向你出售這把鎖的人,估計現在已經被逮捕。因為所有類似的鎖都有獨立的序列號而且是機密的!
這些鎖具是由俄羅斯開發的,我們有權不讓你了解。而且你對俄羅斯的鎖具知道得也不多。假如你想得到更多的信息,就來俄羅斯鎖藝研討會報名!

13.         Barry says:

       November 29, 2006 at 16:38
Dear Russian Club of fans of locks who are also sportgroup and lock
manufacturer: Why am I not polite? We only invite people for the
entire weekend we know and trust. A weekend with free alcohol and
expensive toys/locks all over the place require a basic level of
trust. And we do not know you at all, so there is no level of trust.
If you never take the first step to come to one of the open meetings
you will never be invited to the closed sessions. It is that simple.
What is not polite about that? Not to mention your request if I could
file a thick stack of export visa papers for you, making myself
responsible for your people.
And still no answer from you to the logic behind your remark now we understand why we were not welcome. Please clarify.
Looking at your reply on how you think people should be in jail for
handing out this lock make me fear you just are not the right person
for joining the weekend anyway. Please do not mistake honesty for not being polite, I think we are operating in two different worlds, worlds that are not compatible.

版主 巴瑞 回復 俄羅斯鎖藝協會:

我哪里做得不夠周到了?在周末,我們只會邀請自己信任的人參加。整個周末提供免費的啤酒還有貴重的鎖具/玩具,當然不會邀請我們不信任的人!如果你不先行一步,參加一下我們的開放交流,你是永遠不會被邀參加私人聚會的。就設這么簡單,那還到底有什么不禮貌?
難道還要我為你們每個人辦理簽證?
而且到現在你還沒回復為什么說我們不禮貌?請賜教!
看看你自己的回復說賣這鎖的人會為此入獄,真是可怕,我們怎敢請你參加私人聚會呢?請別混淆誠信和禮貌了,我想我們生活在兩個不同的世界,兩個不兼容的世界!

14.         Jester says:

November 30, 2006 at 14:33
*waits impatiently on a reply from the russian*
A few more entries like this and i’m calling Tom Clancy to look here for a beginning of his new book ;)
To the russians:
Privet, kak dila ?
Akoodah-teh?

杰斯特 說:
要是再多幾個這樣的俄國佬,估計就可以叫 湯姆 克蘭西來看看(湯姆•克蘭西,美國軍事作家,當今世界最暢銷的反恐驚悚小說大師。代表作《獵殺“紅十月”號》、《驚天核網》、《分裂細胞》等。),再寫幾本小說了!

15.         Barry says:

November 30, 2006 at 17:42
Jester: I do not think there will be any more replies. My assumption
is they did not even realize their comments were world readable.
And BTW, Privet, kak dila ? Akoodah-teh? roughly translates to ‘Hello what is up’. I checked because I would not want our Russian friends to be offended…

版主 巴瑞 回復 杰斯特:
我認為不會再收到他們的回復了。他們都不知道地球人讀不懂他的回帖!kak dila ? Akoodah-teh? 應該是俄文,你好,怎么了?我查了一下,我可不想冒犯俄國朋友!

16.         Jester says:

November 30, 2006 at 19:13
Barry: I didn’t have the intention to offend our russian friends, I just wanted to “fish” (or should that be phish these days) for a conversation from them.
The russian in my previous post means: Hiya, how are you ? Where are you from ?
But I guess you are right, this seems like a dead end….
Good work on the blog btw !
Have a good one.
een oud hacktic ganger

杰斯特說:
我并沒有冒犯俄國朋友的意思,我只是想試著弄懂他們在說什么!我對俄國人的第一印象:Hiya,你好嗎?你來自哪兒?
但我想你是對的,他們沒再回復了!

17.         The Russian Lock Club says:

December 5, 2006 at 11:01
Dear and renowned Mr. Wels, who is famous even in China,
In Amsterdam, do they sell cannabis freely in every pub, or maybe there are some restrictions to its use?
Relax, undo your pant belt, and exhale.
The reason why you refused to invite us to the closed part of the seminar is not that you do not know us, it is because you are lying under ASSA Abloy, praising this moneybag on a regular basis and getting little sops from them.
The cause of your aversion to Russian professionals who make such Russian locks is that you have found out (we think it was from Mr. Marc Weber) that ASSA Abloy has contacts with the Russian thief mafia and Russian thieves from the Caucasus.
We have let you know that there is evidence that a trip of an Oleg Samoylov to the Abloy plants in Europe was arranged by Mikko Nissinen, the Moscow representative of Abloy. Mr. Samoylov is a recidivist thief who was imprisoned in Russian prisons 7 times for a total of 17 years.
http://locksclub.nm.ru/com/new_sam_eng.shtm

And this criminal and thief now has access to all Abloy and Bjrkboda Ls Oy Ab technologies more than the distinguished Han Fey.

We have also let you know that we are appalled by the deceit of ASSA Abloy, who brought the YALE ML 14 and 04 locks to the Russian market and announced that these locks cannot be opened with lockpicks.

And we asked you and your club to check our tests for the breakdown of this lock by impression or recommend any experts who would be ready to check our conclusions about consumer deceit.

http://www.locks.su/test/yale_ml04/def/Yale_ML04_def.mpg
http://www.locks.su/test/yale_ml14/test_29_eng.shtm
http://www.locks.su/test/yale_ml14/02_10_06/Yale_02_10_06.mpg

But you said no, and we understand now that it was for conformist reasons. Another friend and business partner of yours, Mr. A. Wendt, did not want to be honest either, as he had earlier issued a fake certificate for this lock.
And we understand that speaking honestly is hard for you if you eat from the ASSA Abloy feedbox.

And of course you knew, Mr. Wels, that our coming to the seminar will mean that information will be spread out to everybody who attends that the thief world has penetrated ASSA Abloy, that thieves and lock makers are together, and that the tests of the YALE ML 14 locks for tamper resistance by Wendt are fake.

This is the main reason why you prevented our coming.
It is called cowardice.
And what you say about the visas is just ridiculous. We told you of recommendations by Silka, Cisa, and Motura, and we could have provided a dozen more recommendations of famous producers including A. Wendt themselves.

But you did not want us to come, and you decided to do it this way.
You are wrong, and you should be ashamed to tell lies to all the world.

After your childish delight about the lock it was clear that your knowledge level is bumping cylinders from China, in which you are an expert. It is no accident that your free speech about the tamper resistance of locks is based on a system: maximum criticism of locks made by companies outside the ASSA Abloy concern and maximum praise of your main sponsor.

Now to your warning and threats that we are not the people you like.
On your web site, you have published photos of a lock that was stolen from the Russian security service, which had been known as the KGB.
Every such lock has a number, which you also published on your photo on the web.

It means that someone from KGB is already checking how you got hold of this secret lock.
This means that you and your friends have exposed the person who sold you the lock to criminal liability and possible real punishment for stealing this secret lock.

To put it simply, this is called stupidity and betrayal of your partners.
You have decided that we are to blame for someone who you bought the lock from and who we do not know being punished severely thanks to you and your stupidity, Mr. Wels.
We gave you our opinion and warned you that such photos are dangerous for the real owner of the lock.
In response to this warning, you poured a bucket of shit on us.
You are not the one to change Russian laws, and what is good for Jupiter will not do for an ox.

You can publish any photos you like on your site, and they do not involve us personally, but if you have a molecule of intellect, we would advise you not to shout so loudly about nuclear bomb locks and not to show their design to everybody.
It all looks like helping terrorists.

Thank you, Mr. Wels, for your very existence.
If you did not exist, it would be worthwhile to invent you.
Say hello to your ASSA Abloy friends and let them increase their sponsorship contributions.

It looks like you are suffering from an illness called I am the only one who is right and who can make judgment about everything.

You should work for the Russian KGB “ your decision making methods would suit them perfectly.
It is not democratic, and it does not mean freedom of opinion “ more like a dictator.
Your coming on the internet with your opinions does not mean that nobody has a contrary opinion.

The of democracy is that you cannot not decide on your own who and where will get truthful information about locks.
Forgive us for being rude, but you are too arrogant and asking for a not-so-polite reply.

We have attended your seminars anyway and have our own opinion about your and your seminars.

The beer you serve people should not be so warm, and it would be great if you put some cannabis on the table for a better perception of your ideas and yourself.
We wish you to lose some weight, as it is sad to see how you cannot put your sneakers on because of your belly.
You should eat less in the evening and stop drinking beer and smoking.
If your club is a public organization, it is a long time you should be reelected.
It looks like from a good sportsman locksmith you have turned into a good bureaucrat who wants good money.
We are sure it is not just our opinion.
With friendly professional greetings to the Saint Lock Roman Pope, Mr. Wels
The Russian Lock Club


俄羅斯鎖藝協會 說:
親愛的,尊貴的威爾先生,你可知道誰在中國最有名,
在阿姆斯特丹,難道會有人在酒吧里公開販賣大麻?還設這些東西是被管制的?
不要緊張,深呼吸一下!
你拒絕邀請我們參加研討會的私人聚會并非你不認識我們,而是因為你效力于ASSA ABLOY (亞薩合萊:是當今世界領先的鎖具制造商和全球頂尖的鎖具供應商,作為全球最大的門控五金集團,在世界130個國家擁有150間鎖具制造廠及銷售公司,年營業額三十億美金)。所以你必須討好這個金飯碗!
你之所以討厭俄國專業鎖匠,是因為你發現ASSA ABLOY (亞薩合萊)秘密接觸了一些俄國偷盜黑手黨,以及一些來自高加索的小偷!
可以告訴你有證據顯示Oleg Samoylov先生來ASSA ABLOY (亞薩合萊)的歐洲工廠參觀是由ASSA ABLOY (亞薩合萊)的俄羅斯地區經理安排的。Oleg Samoylov先生是一名慣偷,曾經在俄羅斯7次被逮捕,總共被關押長達17年之久。
而現在這名罪犯在ASSA ABLOY (亞薩合萊)集團的地位甚至比你的好友Han Fey還要高!
ASSA ABLOY (亞薩合萊)曾經帶上耶魯 ML 14-4型號的鎖到俄羅斯并聲稱該鎖無法被技術性開啟,而我們對他們的欺騙行為倍感驚訝!
現在我們就請各位看一下這個鎖具是如何使用暗配來打開的,不知大家對這樣的欺騙消費者有什么看法!

http://www.locks.su/test/yale_ml04/def/Yale_ML04_def.mpg

http://www.locks.su/test/yale_ml14/test_29_eng.shtm

http://www.locks.su/test/yale_ml14/02_10_06/Yale_02_10_06.mpg

但你否認了我們,現在我們明白你是為了維護自己的聲譽。你的另外一個好友和生意伙伴A. Wendt先生也同樣不想承認事實。因為他之前為這鎖出具虛假證書出的問題!
而且我們也知道只要你還在效力于ASSA ABLOY (亞薩合萊),你就不會講真話!
當然了,威爾先生,你知道我們的出席將會意味著ASSA ABLOY (亞薩合萊)集團和黑手黨聯手的黑幕被曝光,而大家就知道A. Wendt先生出具的證書就必假無疑了!
這才是你拒絕我們參加研討會的原因!這就是心虛!
對于你說的簽證問題那真是好笑。我們能拿出Silka, Cisa, 還有 Motura等等一大堆名望集團的推薦信,甚至是您的好友A. Wendt先生出具的。
但你選擇了拒絕我們的參加!這個錯誤的選擇,你應該對大家受到的蒙騙感到愧疚!
看著你對這鎖具幼稚的喜悅,就可得知你這個專家的智商僅限于用撞匙開啟中國產的鎖芯。之所以你對鎖具的虛假言論不被揭穿,其實是由幕后推手的。
至于你說我們是不受歡迎的人。你在你的博客上發布了從俄羅斯安全機構KGB盜出的鎖具(克格勃一直是蘇聯對外情報工作、反間諜工作。國內安全工作和邊境保衛等工作的主要負責部門,它只對中央政治局負責),所有的鎖具都有其獨立的序列號,而你也將它在博客中公開了。
這意味著KGB內部的某位官員正在接受調查。也意味著你和你的朋友已經將出售者暴露了,這可是需要負刑事責任的!
說白了這就是愚昧的對自己伙伴的背叛!
感謝你的無知,為我們揪出潛在的叛徒!
我們早已警告你,這些照片會對該鎖的原主人構成不利。但你無視我們的忠告并且誣陷我們!
你可以在博客上發表任何圖片,也不會和我們有任何關系,但如果你還有那么一點頭腦,我們建議您不要到處張揚著把核設施鎖具,而且不要展示它的結構!
如果你這樣做的,等于在協助恐怖分子!
還真要感謝您的存在,威爾先生!
請替我們向您的ASSA ABLOY (亞薩合萊)朋友問好,好讓他們為你加薪!
看你做決定的態勢和KGB一模一樣,你應該替KGB賣命!
一點都不民主,也聽不進反對的聲音,就像一個獨裁者!你在網絡上發表言論,并不是每個人都持相同觀點的!
真正的民主不是你一個人說了算的。
如有冒犯請多多包涵,不過你也實在太驕傲自大了,居然請教自己那里做的不夠周到。
不需要你的邀請,我們已經參加過研討會了,對你和你的研討會都有看法!
你提供的啤酒不應該太熱,也許你多抽些大麻會更有助于你的思維!
我們建議你也應該減減肥,看到你幾乎都穿不上運動鞋了,真替你難過!
你應該減少膳食和煙酒。如果你的俱樂部是個大眾組織,你還要連任很長時間哦!
看起來你已經從一個優秀的鎖匠成功蛻變為貪財的官僚主義者!而且肯定不止我們一個人這么想!
到這里先謝謝了!
俄羅斯鎖藝協會

18.         Russian Club of fans of locks says:

December 5, 2006 at 13:41
Look at the grandfather of your \

俄羅斯鎖藝協會 說:
看看你爺爺的樣子 \

19.         TOWCH says:

December 5, 2006 at 13:49
http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=16965

TOWCH 說:
http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=16965

20.         Russian Club of fans of locks says:

December 5, 2006 at 13:49
Look at the grandfather of your Russian
和我們俄國的比起來,你還是孫子的孫子!
lock:http://locksclub.nm.ru/foto/tatar/index.shtm

21.         Frank says:

December 6, 2006 at 23:19
I guess they told you. Mr. Russian fellow that is a very interesting lock you have. I would have to say you won that round.
弗蘭克 說:
我猜他們想告訴你。他們對這把鎖也很感興趣。不過你也很值得這樣的追捧!

22.         S.COWLISHAW says:

November 22, 2007 at 01:38
Hello,I have a similar lock to the Russian one you show,only it operates in a peculiar manner with two very intricate keys and combo.The keys work in unison together,one key is inserted into the front of the lock cylinder,the other is inserted into the righthand side of the lock.Now you can \
S.COWLISHAW 說:
我有一個和你展示的鎖相近的鎖具,這是它的操作由2把復雜的鑰匙和密碼組成。兩把鑰匙構成雙開,一把插在鎖芯正面,另一把插在右邊!

23.         Barry says:

February 18, 2008 at 17:49
A follow up is found here: http://www.toool.nl/blackbag/?p=81
版主 巴瑞 回復:
相關聯接:http://www.toool.nl/blackbag/?p=81

24.        More russian spy locks « Blackbag, Barry’s weblog says:
May 23, 2010 at 16:22
[...] all these people had things to tell and … locks to show. As you might know I am a big fan of ‘the rare russian lock’, and was in the blessed circumstance to have held three different models of these masterpieces in [...]
游客 說:
這些人都有故事說…有鎖具展示,我也是個諜報鎖的發燒友,要是我也能拿到一個就好了!


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